tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7003061036846925103.post8051529907885884447..comments2024-02-16T22:13:18.034+00:00Comments on The Afro Beat: Before we boycott BA...TheAfroBeathttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13909748861182207942noreply@blogger.comBlogger15125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7003061036846925103.post-46124611833146492952010-01-13T10:48:14.436+00:002010-01-13T10:48:14.436+00:00Very nice post......... Cheap Flights to Accra ......Very nice post......... <a href="http://www.cheapflightstoaccra.org" rel="nofollow">Cheap Flights to Accra</a> .........cheap flights to accra ghanahttp://www.cheapflightstoaccra.orgnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7003061036846925103.post-54871947068692387992008-05-18T18:22:00.000+00:002008-05-18T18:22:00.000+00:00I left my comments to Mr. Ogunlesi's post on Naija...I left my comments to Mr. Ogunlesi's post on Naijablog. I agree with Guerreiranigeriana in entirety.Naapalihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11868505901688507321noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7003061036846925103.post-83558662715404622852008-05-16T23:18:00.000+00:002008-05-16T23:18:00.000+00:00@ Tolu omo alagbede wow...u say "town-union" menta...@ Tolu omo alagbede wow...u say "town-union" mentality".....we trying to voice our opinion,calling for better treatment has turned to "town-union" mentality"....its up to anybody to boycott if they wish its not like we are forcing people to boycott!!!so some people are boycotting and not makin noise ...thats the way to go about it? then why are you too making noise!!!why dont u silently fly BA and keep all your opinions to yourself...after all some people support BA and think we deserve this ill treatment since we dont have our own airline and they are not making noise<BR/><BR/>d same vex is the one that annoyed the oyibo cops!!!shoot..are u serious!!!!<BR/><BR/>SERIOUSLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7003061036846925103.post-63373230888513710542008-05-16T23:08:00.000+00:002008-05-16T23:08:00.000+00:00tolu has spoken well o!yes we should be ashamed we...tolu has spoken well o!yes we should be ashamed we do not have a national airline!blah blah blah!!!but that doesnt mean we should be ill-treated...after all BA is enjoying from us not having our own national carrier!!!<BR/><BR/>STAND FOR SOMETHING!!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7003061036846925103.post-55407665541208436732008-05-15T18:11:00.000+00:002008-05-15T18:11:00.000+00:00i agree largely with tolu..i agree largely with tolu..Sherrihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14010927174982585682noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7003061036846925103.post-55528573435802507922008-05-14T15:17:00.000+00:002008-05-14T15:17:00.000+00:00...i learned a long time ago that excuses are the ......i learned a long time ago that excuses are the tools of the incompetent used to build bridges to nowhere and monuments of nothingness...i can not remember all the words...but you get the points...ogunlesi writes very well, but suceeds in pointing out a lot of excuses againts boycotting...<BR/><BR/>...so now, because my government doesn't have a national airline, anyone around the world can just mistreat me?...the same people ogunlesi points out as whimpering and grumbling when our own government mistreats us are the same people, who when you sit down to organize a response will start reminding you of why you should just 'leave am for God o!'...<BR/><BR/>...if indeed the other passengers were reacting in fear to the deportee's treatment, i don't see anything wrong with them voicing their opinions and disapproval of the mistreatment of a fellow human being...as we all have sat trying to behave prim and properly, our sister and brothers have died in darfur, rwanda, the congo, ivory coast, the holocaust, serbia, etc...<BR/><BR/>...and this notion that we are treated badly because we go around misbehaving has also got to be addressed...i am sick of hearing this wack and tired excuse...when the europeans came and started stealing africans to use as slaves, let me guess, it was because the africans were behaving as slaves already right?...why then don't we think of europeans as disease-carrying, pillaging, rapist thieves?...is that not what they did and continue to do to the continent of africa and latin america?...no, instead, we bend over backwards to allow them walk all over us and degrade us...nonsense...so, yes, a few nigerians engage in 419/yahoo-yahoo, we have had some corrupt leaders and act obnoxiously when traveling...although i don't engage in any of these activities, i will make sure and inform my dog to shit and piss on me...after all, i am a nigerian and thus unworthy of respect...<BR/><BR/>...for those of you not interested in fighting against disrespectful and unjust treatment, please, continue to fly ba...hopefully they'll see past your nigerian heritage and obviously misbehaving self and treat you kindly...those of us interested in boycotting, leave us to boycott...i don't need convincing with weak and self-hate filled excuses for bad treatment...this boycott for me is much bigger than some apology and parapo...stand for something or fall for anything...guerreiranigerianahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13528694326611103860noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7003061036846925103.post-48166222511261367732008-05-14T15:15:00.000+00:002008-05-14T15:15:00.000+00:00Thanks for clarifying your take on the matter, Omo...Thanks for clarifying your take on the matter, Omo Alagbede (the author, Tolu, for those of you who don't know). But i don't think that calling for a Boycott of BA, or inferring from the incident that BA is racist in their approach to Nigerians, is in anyway stereotyping BA. Based on their actions, people have made their judgments (which might in the end, be completely wrong) but stereotyping doesn't take the action of the individual (on whom the stereotype is placed) into consideration, and instead pre-judges. One might argue that you're stereotyping Nigerians on the BA75 flight by assuming that this "parapo" mentality must have led to some sort of misconduct that warranted them being thrown off the plane, without even having the facts right. I will confess that i did the same, but based on Mr Omotade's account, without first hearing BA's side of the story (which wasn't given until a MONTH LATER!). What say you?<BR/><BR/>@ Brother Jinta, the truth is i had to take the cheapest fare because it's a company trip and I won't get reimbursed 100% if i do otherwise. I hadn't heard of Air India but if i had been pushed to the wall, i would have done my homework to make sure they were legit (I found out they are part of Star Alliance, so heck yes, I would have flown them over BA if the company allowed and I felt safe about it!). How're things?TheAfroBeathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13909748861182207942noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7003061036846925103.post-19579572559750965262008-05-14T14:17:00.000+00:002008-05-14T14:17:00.000+00:00Exactly... If there were no parapo mentality, woul...Exactly... <BR/><BR/>If there were no parapo mentality, would the civil rights movement have got off the ground? Black people would still be lynched & hung on trees and crosses today, if not for the parapo mentality. <BR/><BR/>The parapo mentality has achieved a lot for humanity, so I wouldn't knock it. It's that same parapo mentality that gave Nigeria its independence from colonial rule! This issue is not so much about racism. It's about basic human rights: treat all human beings equally with respect and dignity. PERIOD. Is that so hard to understand???<BR/><BR/>Personally, I'm tired of the selfish individual streak in some Nigerians who have no regard for the massive strength of public opinion in speaking out against injustices; yet day by day they themselves reap the benefits of freedom from injustice and oppression that their national forefathers fought for...Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09467664797856391600noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7003061036846925103.post-61662854748059226322008-05-14T11:57:00.000+00:002008-05-14T11:57:00.000+00:00ogunlesi is, of course entitled to his/her opinion...ogunlesi is, of course entitled to his/her opinion. i disagree. whether or not we have a national airline should not be criteria for respect. we are a people who are industrious, hard-working and proud and should be sufficiently self-loving to reject such nonsense, as one.<BR/><BR/>one of your commentators kicked against 'parapo'. unfortunately, it is comments like that which keep us as a divided people that cannot confront even our thieving polititians<BR/><BR/>finally, i disgree with you for even considering taking ba because you did not like air india. what is wrong with air india? i took it to new york once and they were ok, certainly better than virgin nigeria; and india have their own airline.; and they've been running a democracy since 1948 - exactly 60 years later, we're still rigging elections <BR/><BR/>it wasn't until blacks boycotted the bus service in alabama and walked miles to work for weeks that the bus service was desegregated. ba is certainly big and convenient, but to save our souls, we all have to suffer some discomfort in 'parapo'Jintahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00101860931419415537noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7003061036846925103.post-31811047539883959412008-05-13T19:57:00.000+00:002008-05-13T19:57:00.000+00:00I do not think I agree with Tolu on this one, I th...I do not think I agree with Tolu on this one, I think that it is exactly this attitude that has kept Nigeria where it is. We justify almost everything. <BR/>BA and others, I insist, do not treat us bad because we do not have a national carrier.They treat us so because they know they can. They know we won't do anything about it. And for once, I am glad we have surprised them. Nigerians as Pastor Paul would say know how to take a licking and keep on taking it. At home, abroad,everywhere. Everyone complaining about Nigeria's lack of this and that, what are you going to do about it? If you can fix the issues in Nigeria, that'll be great, we will be most grateful, but if you can't, kindly let people demand/make changes the only way they know how.<BR/>Nigeria's problems are huge. There's something for everyone to do. Simply do your bit.For the love of mehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13099341538591761136noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7003061036846925103.post-43293962197719262502008-05-13T18:57:00.000+00:002008-05-13T18:57:00.000+00:00I must point out that my argument is not that BA i...I must point out that my argument is not that BA is not - or does not contain - a bunch of racist white peeps. But then again, I get accused of stereotyping Nigerians, yet my accusers apply the same stereotyping brush on BA. Boycott BA! Boycott BA! BA is racist! How is that different ("generalisation-wise") from saying "Nigerians" are brash.<BR/><BR/>Secondly, let anyone who feels offended by BA, take personal action against BA by suing or boycotting. I hear there are many individuals out there who have personally decided to boycott BA, and are not making any noise about it. That's the way to go. Not this "parapo", "town-union" mentality, that will do us no good. The anger many are displaying today is the same kind of "vex" that our people must have made in that BA flight that fateful day, that ended up alarming the oyinbo cops...Toluwalopehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13570101798244926793noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7003061036846925103.post-70974960996879761002008-05-13T18:20:00.000+00:002008-05-13T18:20:00.000+00:00I'm with Solomonsydelle on this one. BA has had it...I'm with Solomonsydelle on this one. BA has had it coming for years! I know a number of nigerians who'd already boycotted BA at least 10 years b4 this incident. I'm also of the opinion that certain so-called character traits of Nigerians is cancerous prejudice and stereotyping. The attitude of a few Nigerians here and there cannot be blamed for the bad treatment meted out to many decent Nigerians in diaspora every single day. <BR/><BR/>I would argue that it is in fact this sort of virulent prejudice and stereotyping; the that-is-how-NIGERIANS-behave-dogma-mentality of many of these foreign corporate interests... is what led to BA's degrading treatment of Nigerians on that plane.<BR/><BR/>Particularly in relation to the BA incident... This mentality espoused by fellow Nigerians... Is damaging, divisive, obstructive, and counterproductive.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09467664797856391600noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7003061036846925103.post-59032138548059992472008-05-13T18:17:00.000+00:002008-05-13T18:17:00.000+00:00This comment has been removed by the author.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09467664797856391600noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7003061036846925103.post-30335616095427704082008-05-13T15:14:00.000+00:002008-05-13T15:14:00.000+00:00I agree with the essence of Ogunlesi's stance. Nig...I agree with the essence of Ogunlesi's stance. Nigeria should have set up its own air carrier after the demise of NA. It should not have created Virgin Nigeria especially when the majority of the money in the airline came from nigeria's coffers. There is indeed at least one domestic carrier that the nation could have invested in and used to be the nation's carrier. <BR/><BR/>But that is besides the point. Whether Nigeria has its own carrier or has VN does not change the fact that Nigerians are not to be messed with. Here's a little bit of history 101. Kwame Nkrumah made it known that if anyone messed with a single Ghanaian anywhere in the world, they would have to deal with him, personally. That stance by Nkrumah, set up the precedent for every single Ghanaian leader that came in his wake, military or civilian. Do you think BA would have tried to remove 136 Ghanaian's from their flight even if those Ghanaians under the same or similar circumstances. I put it to you right here and now, that our Ghanaian brothers and sisters would never receive such abhorrent abuse.<BR/><BR/>That being said, although i understand Mr. Ogunlesi's point and share it to some extent, I seriously disagree with his suggestion that Nigerian's sit down and be quiet in their 'airline-lessness'. Nigerian's cannot cower in shame because of the failures of their government's and the majority of their 'leaders' who have proven repeatedly to lack vision and to shy away from creating messages that are empowering and inspirational. I am sticking to my guns on this one, and even if I end up being the ONLY NIGERIAN that never ever buys stock in BA or any of their partner airlines and other commercial interests (London Eye being one of them and anyone can feel free to read my post to learn the strategy I suggested), I will continue to stand for the betterment of my people and the respect that they deserve from foreign corporate interests, foreign governments, our own government and our own people.<BR/><BR/>As such, I thank you Afro Beat for bringing Ogunlesi's opinion to my attention. I thank him as well for pointing out things that some of us would rather not face but, I will unfortunately disagree with some of his conclusions.SOLOMONSYDELLEhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17564768670896215900noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7003061036846925103.post-28523156403680439352008-05-13T14:09:00.000+00:002008-05-13T14:09:00.000+00:00Very well said. Until we take responsibility for o...Very well said. <BR/>Until we take responsibility for our collective behavior and the resulting reputation, I suspect the respect we desire will continue to elude us. There's never a justification for treating anyone shabbily but it would be naive to view this incident outside the context of what the world understands to be our "Nigerianess". When we fix the world's perception of what it is to be Nigerian, we fix the root cause of the problem. Obviously, we don't fix the perception by simply demanding it.....or even worse, behaving in the same manner that created this unpalatable perception in the first place. It took years and years of behaving badly for us to have a bad name, it'll take years and years of behaving well to reverse it. This has nothing to do with BA, we need to do this for ourselves.IjebuManhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00976525996297215600noreply@blogger.com